Pardon me if I go off on rambles, here... there's so much and I get scatterbrained.
I think I have some interesting quotes from Darwin, Huxley, and the crew that might prove that that's exactly what the early proponents of Darwinism were intending-- a belief system to counter that of Christianity. Let me see if I can't scrounge those up and present them in another comment...
That would be difficult, considering that his whole family Christian. =/ He steered away from the subject of religion because he believe science should be as free from faith as was possible. The closest you get, that I've ever seen is:
"As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities." "...freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds, which follow[s] from the advance of science. It has, therefore, been always my object to avoid writing on religion, & I have confined myself to science."
Sadly, I think racism and cultural darwinism are exactly the logical progeny of the Darwinian theory of evolution
As I said, a very simplistic and short-term view of evolution, which is vastly incomplete. And this is even assuming the theory of evolution should be projected onto all other social aspects of life, which I think it shouldn't. This is another difference between religion and science: science does not attempt to project its views onto things that are nowhere within the same domain. This is why we have both Newtonian and quantum physics, for example -- because we realize that both models are ultimately incomplete. In contrast, religions as a whole attempt to squash everything into a single dogma, and the result is gross contradiction, inevitably.
Well, as I've argued before, just the manner in which evolution is carried out is counter enough to the God of the Bible
Which one? ;) Whenever I bring up something biblical, you say that it's not Christ so it's not Christianity. ;) Christ was a philosopher who basically charged in and rewrote the bible. Not only that, but his words from the new testament were written and rewritten over again by people who came after him. So we don't really know WHAT he ever really said; we're taking the church's word on it.
But, if you do acknowledge the OT, I'm curious about these entries in it, particularly given that the disciples did in fact say that the OT was the Word of God:
Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God," Matthew 4:4: "Scripture proceeds from the mouth of God." Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
That being said:
Exodus 34:7: God will visit the iniquity of the fathers "upon the children, and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation." Ezekial 18:20: "[T]he soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
Deuteronomy 28:49-53: "The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far...And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters"
Exodus 32:27: "And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Genesis 17:10: "This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised." Galatians 5:2: "Behold, I Paul, say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."
Genesis 3:16: "And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
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Re: Battleground God...
Date: 2003-09-30 08:24 am (UTC)I think I have some interesting quotes from Darwin, Huxley, and the crew that might prove that that's exactly what the early proponents of Darwinism were intending-- a belief system to counter that of Christianity. Let me see if I can't scrounge those up and present them in another comment...
That would be difficult, considering that his whole family Christian. =/ He steered away from the subject of religion because he believe science should be as free from faith as was possible. The closest you get, that I've ever seen is:
"As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."
"...freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds, which follow[s] from the advance of science. It has, therefore, been always my object to avoid writing on religion, & I have confined myself to science."
Sadly, I think racism and cultural darwinism are exactly the logical progeny of the Darwinian theory of evolution
As I said, a very simplistic and short-term view of evolution, which is vastly incomplete. And this is even assuming the theory of evolution should be projected onto all other social aspects of life, which I think it shouldn't. This is another difference between religion and science: science does not attempt to project its views onto things that are nowhere within the same domain. This is why we have both Newtonian and quantum physics, for example -- because we realize that both models are ultimately incomplete. In contrast, religions as a whole attempt to squash everything into a single dogma, and the result is gross contradiction, inevitably.
Well, as I've argued before, just the manner in which evolution is carried out is counter enough to the God of the Bible
Which one? ;) Whenever I bring up something biblical, you say that it's not Christ so it's not Christianity. ;) Christ was a philosopher who basically charged in and rewrote the bible. Not only that, but his words from the new testament were written and rewritten over again by people who came after him. So we don't really know WHAT he ever really said; we're taking the church's word on it.
But, if you do acknowledge the OT, I'm curious about these entries in it, particularly given that the disciples did in fact say that the OT was the Word of God:
Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God,"
Matthew 4:4: "Scripture proceeds from the mouth of God."
Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
That being said:
Exodus 34:7: God will visit the iniquity of the fathers "upon the children, and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Ezekial 18:20: "[T]he soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
Deuteronomy 28:49-53: "The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far...And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters"
Exodus 32:27: "And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Genesis 17:10: "This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised."
Galatians 5:2: "Behold, I Paul, say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."
Genesis 3:16: "And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."